Tag: Boxers

#831 Pretty boy Karl Schulze

It’s hard to be a boxer ad not want to get hit in the face. Sooner or later, no matter how good you are, you will run into someone who will punch you in the kisser and you’ll fold like a cheap card table. That is the story of Pretty Boy Karl Schulze, number 831 in the Jones hit parade.

Jones has his birthplace as Bremerhaven; the German boxing site says Wandsbek.  He was born on May 14, 1907 in Wandsbek, Germany at 3:30 AM according to Jones. There is no record of his childhood, or even a photo — we have pieced that together from his boxing record and chart.


Harry Stein;
there is no extant
picture of Karl

Karl Schulze was the 1925 and 1926 German Amateur flyweight champion.  In  1925 he was third in the  European Championships in Stockholm behind Emile Pladner of France and J.W. James from England. In July 1928 he began his professional career in Berlin.  His career started off with a technical knockout (when the referee gives 10 counts for the boxer to get back on his feet; when he doesn’t because he realizes he is licked he shakes his head no and a TKO is scored; this can also happen if the fighters face is gnashed, and he is bleeding) against Urban Grass  in the second round.

Two months later, Schulze lost twice to Harry Stein, both times on points. In January 1929 he won the German flyweight championship over Erich Kohler by a knockout but later that same year he lost his title because of weight problems (Neptune in Cancer) and had to go up a class to bantamweight (the difference in division is about 15 pounds).

The River Elbe is marked in red. Wandsbek is near Hamburg

After some rough times, Schulze was back.  In the autumn of 1929 Karl won the  German championship and retained that until July 1930. There is little information on him, from then to his 1932 bout against the undefeated Richard Stegemann: he lost both matches.

On October 21, 1932, Schulze went south to Stuttgart for a tournament,  Here Hans Schiller knocked him out in the third and his short career was over.  There was nothing more about him until 1935,  where while swimming in the Elbe, Schulze drowned.

Boxing with Schulze

Schulze had talent as a western-based bowl: he has the asteroid Toro next to Jupiter in the fourth house and with Tisiphone (one of the three Ancient Greek goddesses of Furies symbolizing vengeance) coupled with the North Node at 25 Cancer 13, he had a bad temper and a punch to match. But with Venus in his first house next to his Ascendant — a vain boxer is an anathema to the sport no matter how hard that exalted Mars in Capricorn maybe, and his Mercury in a close sextile to Jupiter (which is square a good drinking buddy Neptune) suggests he liked to party in beer halls, hard.

Uranus in Capricorn is an oxymoron, for while Schulze may reach his utmost goals, at the last moment he will get cold feet and run away. This is probably abetted by his South Node there but it is difficult to ignore Uranus in the tenth opposing Neptune in Cancer (and square Jupiter remember) doubles down on alcohol problems. Neptune is conjunct Jupiter could also intimate drowning.

Schulze with the Bremerhaven birth place.


For reasons unbeknownst to us, Bremerhaven and Wandsbek came up as west of GMT in the original post. We caught it when reviewing the essays and noticed the longitude data, though the chart itself was correct.  Wandsbek is near Hamburg, now part of Central European Time Zone, and one hour east of Greenwich. The new charts and reports reflect this change.

#228 Jack Dempsey and the Stars

Jack Dempsey is one of Marc Jones’s notables and comes in at 228. He does not provide the place, but that’s easy enough to fix, he was born in a coal mining town in Colorado. The time Jones has is also on Astro.com but does not work with the known biographical details of his life, so we rectified him to a 4:40 PM birth time for his birthplace Manassa, Colorado. For those using the Sabian Symbols book, both charts are supplied.

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Dempsey is a Northern deviated bowl, some may say a lipped bowl, Jones time.

Manassa is high in the Rockies, at 7.664 feet or 2,344 meter high. It was founded in 1851 by Mormons who it Manasseh, the son of Joseph of the many-coloured coat.¹  Once the mining went, most of the original settlers did too.

The Dempsey’s were a mixture of Irish & English Jews & Catholics and they came to Manasseh like everyone else for the mining, but shortly after William Harrison, named after the ninth president of the United States,  the whole family converted to the prevailing Mormonism.  William Harry as he was originally called, got his stage name Jack from his elder brothers who all fought under the “Dempsey” name and bestowed “Jack” to their youngest brother in honor of the Nonpareil 2 himself.

Jack’s obit from the New York Times archives.  Jack Dempsey, 87, is Dead; Boxing Champion of 1920’s

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Almost 12 hours later, Dempsey becomes an outgoing Southern bowl, still a bit deviated with a preponderance in the eighth house mixed between Cancer and Leo.  His ascendant here is 28.20 Scorpio, matching the eighth house of  a creative use of one’s legacies.  We think that all his older brothers were also boxers works well with that.

the Stars lead the way

Among several, one reason for the later time is Sirius, the Dog Star, conjunct his Mercury in the eighth house important because Dempsey made another fortune running his nightclub in New York City (liquor and its sales are eighth house Scorpian issues because they are liquid and cause inebriation).

a polished Jack circa March 1932, Vanity Fair

The fixed star Sirius is an old star and it is depicted conjunct to Jupiter in the Dendera Zodiac — the oldest zodiac around. Cleopatra’s father supposedly died in 51 BC when the Sirius-Jupiter conjunction occurred and the great Nile queen herself expired August 12th 30 BC.   While the Egyptian calendar was lunar based, each month having about 30 days each, it was timed to the helical 4 rising of Sirius and so important deaths were noted when they coincided with that.

Another star in that vicinity is Canopus, also conjunct Mercury. This one bestows a headstrong nature & subsequent loss through domestic affairs — he was married four times excepting the last most lasting just a few years. Neptune in the seventh is conjunct Fixed Star Rigel, this gives Jack an energetic but cautious, disposition making him a natural  diplomat and generous to those less fortunate — he spearheaded a fund for down and out fellow boxer Joe Lewis when the latter fell upon rough times.


  1. Some time later Joseph was told, “Your father is ill.” So he took his two sons Manasseh and Ephraim along with him.,
    1. Genesis chapter 48, verse 1.
  2. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey was actually stage for the original too. His real name was John Edward Kelly and was an Irish-born American boxer and first holder of the World Middleweight Championship in a true international bout against Australian Billy McCarthy. He was nicknamed “Nonpareil” because he was unbeatable and never quit.
  3. Our header shot is from George Bellow’s painting  Dempsey and Firpo being on exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art this fall. It memorializes the match between the  “Manassa Mauler,” and the “Bull of the Pampas,” held at the Polo Grounds in New York in September 1923 before 82,000 spectators.
    1. Bellows’s print focuses on the moment Dempsey was hoisted back into the ring, the legality of which was later questioned, resulting in controversy. The artist inserted his self-portrait in the lower left corner of the composition, with his attention cast on the most dramatic moment of the action-filled fight.
  4. Sirius, the brightest star in the heavens, travels a helical (helix or spiral)  path through space.

#333 Max Baer, sr. the Livermore Larruper

Max Baer, born Maximilian Adalbert Baer,  is a well known American boxer, cemented into popular culture through his son, Max Baer, jr of Beverly Hillbillies fame where he played Jethro Bodine.  With the death of Ellie May, Donna Douglas, Baer fils, is the latest surviving member of the cast.

Marc Jones just notes CST time for boxer Baer, but the Boxing Register, the International Boxing Hall of Fame’s book , cites that he was born in Omaha, Nebraska on February 11 1909 not February 16 as Jones and Astro.com cite.

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Jones time and date.

His setup is similar to Max Schmeling, air and earth with little water and in a fateful bout at Yankee Stadium in front of a crowd of 60,000 fans Baer hammered Schmeling until the latter cried to stop (similar to Roberto Duran’s No Mas fight against Sugar Ray Leonard in the Superdome at NOLA fifty years later) and while Baer, the Livermore Larruper, had great talent, he also had bad luck.   The Schmeling battle was a major blow to Aryan Germany as Baer was descended from German Jews¹ and the newspapers lost no time in ballyhooing that link.

In 1930, as Pluto was coming onto the scene, Baer knocked out Frankie Campbell (his real name was Francisco Camilli), brother of baseball player Dolph Camilli on August 25, 1930 in San Francisco; Campbell died shortly afterward.

                                              Whose in the List?

This shook up Baer and he semi-retired when #264 Jack Dempsey helped him control his punches and tighten up his style.  While Dempsey, Tunney and Louis made the list, Tony Zale and Rocky Marchiano did not, rather gaping holes in 40’s boxing.  But then he  does not cover any of post WWII boxing, and thereby  ignores Jack Lamotta (Scorsese’s Raging Bull), Floyd Patterson  and Sugar Ray Robinson either.  While Jones handles many 19th Century notables, he does not mention Gentleman Jim Corbett — notable if only for the Errol Flynn movie — the Ninth Marquess of Queensbury (born 1844) , John L. Sullivan or Mike Donovan, all predominant boxers of the previous century.  It is an unfortunate choice considering he plasters his list with royalty.

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The Baer Campbell fight is a horrible chart — the angles are too close for Campbell to recover from each blow.  Asteroids Hektor & Sedna both warrior images that are slain dominate the map.

To be fair, he treats boxers better than other sportsmen for he totally ignores baseball, football, hockey and basketball.  He has a few jockeys, no cricketers (they are now travellers),  no swimmers, Johnny Weismuller & Esther Williams are both  listed  for their acting credits not swimming feats,  and one ice skater, the graceful Sonje Heine, and odd golfer and tennis player here and there.

While we go through the 1000 we will be readjusting their groups as well as others we find miscast, so many will return to the sports arena and leave Hollywood or the travelling life  behind.  As Charles Jayne wrote in The Best of Chas. Jayne, it is an uneven list at best; we may add it is definitely idiosyncratic as well.

                                                       The Boxing Rec chart

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The correct Baer chart

Using the same time but the Rec’s chart we get the map above.  Pluto hovers on the ninth house cusp depicting his lethal punches, but next to the North Node, he is safe from them in return.  Neptune and Jupiter are sextile making at yod point at his Part of Fortune 09.10 Aquarius that ends up in his Cancerian tenth house; his blows were hard & plummeting and Mars in the second suggest his native talent was his power, but conjunct the Dragon’s tail intimates at his lethalness — besides Campbell, Ernie Schaaf met his Maker through Baer’s blows in 1932 when Pluto was discovered.

                                                   Locomotive no more

Technically, when Baer was born, Pluto had not been discovered, so he was originally a Locomotive, but with the advent of Pluto found his humanist and secular Splash Temperament, just in time for Hollywood.  This is redoubled by the Sun on the fifth house cusp, showing  that after becoming Heavyweight Champion he frittered himself away and lost interest in the sport.  It is hard to blame him with two deaths to his name and it is doubtless that played a major role in his title loss.

baer plaqueIn 1933 Baer divorced his first wife actress Dorothy Dunbar, & got mentioned by all the gossip columnists for his romances with the latest starlet like Jean Harlow, Mae West, & Greta Garbo.  He still fought but barely trained, culminating in the loss of his  title to James Braddock where Baer sleepwalked through the rounds and Braddock came out fighting (he would later lose to #597 Joe Louis).

He retired a year or so later and became a nightclub owner with Slapsie Maxie Rosenbloom — a typical route for ex-boxers.    On June 29, 1935 he settle down for good, marrying Mary Ellen Sullivan (born 1903 in Ithaca New York) , the mother of the actor and two  others Maudie and James who was widowed when Baer died in 1959.  Mrs. Baer died in 1978 and is buried beside her husband.

Baer’s natal chart is the blue inner wheel; the wedding is the progressed outer green wheel.  it looks very peaceful, the warrior has been laid to rest, and happy (Jupiter in the eleventh sextile the ascendat)

The Lines

  • Line of Vitality is absent.
  • Line of Efficiency is absent.
  • Line of Motivation is in opposition.
  • Line of Self-Determination is absent.


  1. Max Baer’s father, Jacob, is buried in a Jewish cemetery, but Max obviously converted for Mary Ellen, as he is buried in Saint Mary’s Catholic Cemetery & Mausoleum in Sacramento, California.
  2. Have no idea why he was given the nickname of Livermore but Larruper is an old term for a Thrasher, someone who can beat another to death.  In this case an unfortunate but accurate nickname.

#829 Max Schmeling the Black Uhlan of the Rhine

Marc Jones has Schmeling at a standard unknown time with no place, so we put in the Prenzlau location from Astro.com.  This chart is what we got.

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Prenzlau Jones at 12 noon

This is the time that Astro.com has for Schmeling 10:50 am.  The hour does not change Schmeling much, but it is a rectified time — which we prefer — and does loosely fit his known details.

Astro.com at 10:50 Prenzlau.  Place is incorrect.

                                         But it’s Klein Luckow!  not Prenzlau.

The International Boxing Hall of Fame, has the same day but different place, Klein Luckaw, that is close to Prenzlau and the Polish border (see the enlargened map below, G is for Germany and P of course for Poland.  The blue water above is the Baltic Sea where Denmark lies); the BoxRec.com site has the same location.

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Changing the Jones map to there gives us this map; the time remains unaltered and we now have a see-saw temperament.  This is being supplied for those who are following along in the book.  We are not recommending using the noon time but are going with the KL because it has Max Schmeling Strasse (German for Street) and Prenzlau does not.  Chances are that Max was born somewhere along that street hence the renaming of it.

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highlighted map of Klein Luckow, Germany showing Max Schmeling Strasse.

Putting the Astro.com time with the IBH place gives us the chart.  We are choosing the Boxing Hall of Fame’s location and Max Schmeling Strasse.  Not much changes from the Prenzlau location and when they are differences it is in the calculated points and even there just in the minutes so the degrees are the same, nonetheless we think the actual place is as important as the rest of his birth details and recommend this correction.

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Recommended chart for boxer Max Schmeling

Max like others, see Dr. Frankl and the designer Givenchy,  who were affected by World War II has an intercepted trine within his chart, but the heavyweight is obviously a locomotive with his widest space in the northwest corner of his chart.  This open area supports that Schmeling had leadership of Hilter’s Aryan philosophy thrust upon him though he did not support it having rescued persecuted Jews during Kristallnacht (see Venus in the ninth house of religion and higher calling).

 The Black Uhlan

The International Boxing Hall of Fame short bio on Schmeling remarks that he tried to disassociate himself with Hitler but because of his tall, blond good looks and the Nazi propaganda machine, few in America believed him.  He was a SS officer during World War II that was also probably enforced because of his stature in Germany, but was quick to surrender at Hitler’s fall.

Like the other boxers profiled, he has lots of Earth but no water.  He also is separate from the group in that he has more air than any others in the Jones clutch and is highly mutable.   As for his nickname, Uhlans were Polish light cavalry, that had a fearful reputation because of their speed, dexterity with lances, sabres and pistols. They became the model for many general-purpose cavalry units throughout Europe as traditional heavy cavalry fell into disuse. The title was adopted by lancer regiments in the Russian, Prussian, and Austrian armies because of their intimidating reputation.

  • The Line of Vitality is conjunct.
  • The Line of Efficiency is trine.
  • The Line of Self Motivation is trine, obviously encourage Schmeling to go along with the larger prevailing trend  (i.e. the SS position during WWII)  for his best interest.
  • The Line of Self Determination is in opposition, thus Schmelling has all four departments in his charts making him an arrogant man.

#292 Vernon California, Boxing & Jack Doyle

The city of Vernon is best known today for its meatpacking plants and slaughterhouses, but nearly a century ago vied with Madison Square Garden for the title of “Boxing Capital of the World.” In his Vernon Arena, promoter Jack Doyle staged 20-round world championship fights and, between bouts, allowed the sporting set to refresh itself in a saloon with the “longest bar in the world” and the battleground for some of America’s greatest fighters, including Sam Langford, Joe Rivers, Joe Gans, Willie Richie, Benny Leonard, Bert Colima, Mickey Walker and Jack Dempsey.

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willard ko

But not everything was so rosy for on Aug. 22, 1913, future heavyweight champion Jess Willard knocked out Bull Young in the 11th round. Young died the next day. Two years later, in response to Young’s death, California legislators limited boxing matches to four rounds and forbade promoters to offer more than a $35 prize (usually a medal). This led fighters to ask “How much medal do I get?”

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Prohibition pretty much spelled the end of Doyle’s watering hole, though it went out in a big way. The night before the national law went into effect, June 30, 1919, more than 60 bartenders patrolled the bar, doling out drinks to an estimated 1,000 customers in what was the ultimate “last call.”


A few years later, Doyle tore down the old arena and built a 10,000-seat indoor coliseum in just 35 days. He replaced the four-legged stool in the boxers’ corner with padded seats that swung out of sight between rounds, and the unsightly and unsanitary water buckets were replaced with modern plumbing carrying running water.

When Doyle replaced the wooden benches with orchestra seats, Arbuckle had a special one built for himself, about 50% wider than the average. Chaplin sat ringside. Fans watched him rise from his seat to duck, swing, shout and dodge blows, as if he were in the ring himself. He even refereed a match for one of his favorite boxers, Frankie Dolan.

In 1924, when the Los Angeles Olympic committee was seeking a venue for wrestling and boxing, it lent some financial help to Doyle, who built today’s Olympic Auditorium just south of downtown. A year later, Doyle spent thousands of dollars lobbying the Legislature to allow the return of 10-round bouts. In 1927, Doyle’s Vernon indoor coliseum, where amateurs rose to become world champions, burned when the adjacent baseball park caught fire.

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jack doyle in placidus and a see-saw.

When he died in 1944, lucky Jack Doyle was rich and long retired from his pugilistic empire. He’d struck gold in the ring, but not nearly as much as he found when he struck gold a second time–the black gold still being pumped from beneath Signal Hill.

from the L. A. Times obituary.

Attached is Marc’s data for Jack Doyle that was missing the birthplace, so it is in Placidus format to match his 1000 Notable Nativities. Retrosheet.org supplied the place but has different data, October 25, 1869. Kilgorin was then part of the United Kingdom – Ireland did not procure its freedom until Easter Sunday 1916 so the Retrosheet version is in the colours of the Union Jack,

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jack 1869 a locomotive.  Our preferred chart and the Astro.com one.

We would if asked, go with the 1869 date as it shows his loyalty to his brother and a strong aspect to the Galactic Center. We supplied the KO for August 22 1913 as that chart is quite remarkable, post the opposition and yod point to the Midheaven with Pluto and Neptune in semi-sextile aspect.


#297 Danny Cox heavyweight boxer

There are a few issues with Jones’s notation on Danny Cox. First he has him born in Washington DC while Boxing Record lists NYC. We went with Boxing Rec, and suspect that Mr. Cox was born in Hell’s Kitchen near Times Square. The Jones chart is the first in Green; ours follows.

A second issue with the Jones record is the time. Jones states 7:30 AM while we found 7:30 PM works better. Daylight Savings time did take into effect that year until 6 days later on the 21st.

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This chart is what Jones has in the book Sabian Symbols.

The DC chart is a bowl with a Uranus -Saturn lip. His Ascendant Scorpio 8 has the Hyperion Symbol of a “man not frightened by the danger of the moment.”  The Jones ascendant for 12 hours earlier is 3 Gemini is a “prophet seeking illumination.”

Our NYC PM chart is a locomotive, more indicative of a heavyweight boxer that has to stand up to a lot of heavy punches almost nonstop. We have Cox with the ascendant of 08 Scorpio opposite its ruler of Mars in the seventh – he was a naturally pugnacious fellow ready with his fist. With no air in his chart he was undisciplined, but with lots of fire and earth, he was strong and loved to box, thus these are good elements for a fighter but his record is uneven with a win-loss ratio of 40%.

  • His Line of Vitality is squared, suggesting he liked fighting.
  • His Line of Motivation is absent for he was rather undisciplined.
  • His Line of Efficiency is absent so he was rather self-satisfied with his work, but had no real ambition go further in the ring.
  • His Line of Self-Determination is barely conjunct, but does tell us he relied on his reflexes more than his training. Overall, Danny was a lazy boxer who relied too much on his natural skill, hence earlier on he had a lot of knock out success, but later on lost that same way. The few times he did win it was on points, because he was physically strong & he could go the distance.

We could not find any pictures of Mr. Cox; sorry about that.

#03 Georgie Freedom Abrams


George Abrams was born on Freedom Day — 11-11-18 — in Roanoke, Virginia at 11 am to an orthodox Jewish family. He nearly became the middleweight champion of the world but lost to Tony Zale. They inducted him into the Boxing Hall of Fame at Canastota, New York (it’s outside of Syracuse) in 2005, a trip we heartily recommend for even non-boxing enthusiasts.

We  profiled the other George Abrams, the baseball player over here.

According to Jones, Abrams was born at 11 am and while poetic, we propose a 1 pm birth time instead. With the 11 am natal time, Abrams loses to Zale, because Zale out punched him — Jupiter in the outer chart conjunct Abram’s Dragon’s Tail. That does not fit with the reports of the fight.

The first two charts depict the 11 am time.  Zale vs. Abrams
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George Abrams at 11 am

With a 1 pm birth time (see the green singular one), we have Mars on the 11th house cusp in Capricorn landing a solid punch. His fire signs are also a bit higher showing that he had a bad temper and came to boxing through his natural inclination to take it on the chin and physically fight back. This would be more common to growing up in a poor area and being the torment of older boys or even prejudice. What stays the same is his high water preponderance depicting his stubbornness and ability to take hits.

Jupiter in the fifth house, just conjunct the Pluto that was discovered at his birth, shows that Abrams had an orthodox boxing style. It is also in the water element of Cancer. Pluto, discovered in 1932, is opposite Mars but has no short leg to the opposition, so Abrams did not have a lot of variety to his repertoire. Missing a 8th or 2nd house offshoot, Abrams becomes a plain boxer with no hidden counter-punch i.e. a repertoire of tactics to help in the later rounds.

The rectified 1 pm chart. The Lord of his chart, Uranus, is conjunct his Ascendant, alas the Moon steps in between.

The second Zale-Abrams chart is more telling of his weaknesses. While again, Zale out punched him, and Abrams is still an orthodox boxer, here he had some hidden power in his skill set. Another interesting thing is that Abrams has Transpluto in the fifth, so he gambled on his strengths, while Zale has it in the 6th gambled that Abrams would follow his typical method — he studied Abrams in the ring and learnt his opponents weaknesses, so Zale felt that a one punch battering style was all the other boxer had.

Zale OTOH with Transpluto in the outer right exact to Vesta in Zale’s chart was economical in fighting and did not come barreling out for a slugfest, but paced himself. All of this, makes Zale the better boxer and deserved to win the Middleweight Champeenship, as my late grandmother would say.

After this bout, Abrams best days were behind him — Fred Apostoli, Tony Raadik and Sugar Ray Leonard all beat him. He retired after the Raadik bout, tried his hand at illustration,  but was unsuccessful.    He worked as an auto dealer, liquor salesman, , owner of a nightclub, a typical gambit of ex-fighters . After living for a while in Florida in the late 1950s where he parked cars in Miami Beach, he eventually settled down in Las Vegas where he worked as a security guard at the Tropicana.   He reposed June 30, 1994 there.

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Georgie Abrams last chart. Jun e 30 1994. It would seem that known heart problems felled him in the end.

This essay and its attendant charts were updated and reviewed on 30 October 2019. If you find an error, let us know.